How Karma Works: Learning to Design Your Ideal Life by Lama Sumati Marut


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@Some Critique

Fresh human ? Oh dear me, no such thing as a fresh human, what on earth would that mean in a Buddhist context ? Nothing unless we invent reincarnation, funny. Karma if considered is probably the most just moral system & only logical way out of the moral injustice encountered in the world unless we wish to invoke the big daddy in the sky god or materialism. Just a thought eh, can't be bothered addressing everything in your post because the debate would be never ending, though I do appreciate a lot of your points.

Posted by Paul R (not verified) on July 17, 2012 - 1:54am
Some critique

I have some problems with the argumentation presented in the talk;
The propositions that are made about Karma are not falsefiable. It is said that Nothing bad comes from something good and nothing good comes frome something bad. If not right away then sometime in the future.
It is logically impossible that the proposition can emperically be shown to be false.

Example was if I enjoy umbrella drinks in haiti with the money from the bank robbery, although that looks like a good consequence, there will sometime in the future come the actual bad consequences. No matter how much time after the robbery the robber were asked if the bad consequences had already arrived, if they hadn't arrived we could still say the karma-proposition is true because it does not say when in the future the conseqeunces come.

Well now imagine the robber is very now the robbery many years ago. The robber is still a rich man, he managed to invest the money etc... no bad consequences happened and the end of the robbers life is near, and he might have only a few more days to live - still he has not received any negative consequences, also he is not terminally ill or something.
The closer to the end of the life we get the more probable must be the arrival of the bad consequences(and the more intense, cause there is not much time for suffering/punishment left).
That is a dilemma for the Karma proposition, which the Buddhist have no other way of escaping than by stating another proposition that cannot be shown false by experiment: They simply invent "reincarnation", so even if the person dies, they can take their karma(not their memory, personality, etc) with them.
Maybe it;s just me, but I find it very unfair that a fresh new human is packed with the karma of some bank robber. Also, I do not like the idea that disabled people are former criminals, which is another idea suggested by other Buddhists, and which is just a small step further down the slipery slope of the buddhists teaching about karma and reincarnation(which I showed to be inseperable).

Also you say that there is nothing inherently good in doughnuts, if so ...
--- it would make all people happy
--- it would make happy everytime
--- more doughnuts would always make more happiness
From that you follow that no happiness can come from sensual pleasure.
In short I doubt that I have recollected that correctly - but if I did than this is a very unsound argument that the speaker made (does he really have a Phd??).

Well of course it is not the doughnut that carries the joy and happieness, it is the coming toghether both of doughnut and an individual with all the properties necessary to enjoy the doughnut, and of course everything changes and so does the individual while consuming the first two doughnuts.
And after the second the properties that are necessary to enjoy the doughnut are not fullfilled anymore.

So you mistake the doughtnut with the experience of eating a doughnut in the right situation at the right place and time - THIS on the other hand DOES carry an inherent BUT IMPERMANENT joy and happiness with it.

To me it seems like buddhism throws out any impermanent joy. This of course leads to no joy because everything is impermanent even the laws of chemistry that govern the emission of hormons caused by eating the doughnut. But then what permanent happiness can we ever experience?


Maybe... but you have to blindly belief in what a guy 2500 years ago preached.

I am excited about your feedback

With best regards,

Now I put against it:
--- only because it does not make EVERYone happy does not mean

Posted by teevorian (not verified) on February 19, 2012 - 3:27am
if you haven't listened to this, LISTEN TO THIS

Friends attended this lecture and told me it was good, but I had no idea! Lama Marut leaps over jargon and dogma and lays out a clear, logical description of karma and it's results, and offers real ways to work with our own lives. If we got together and listened, thought about, and tried to practice this stuff, where would we end up? I'm an official fan.

Remember (Admit it!)
Regret it!
Restaint (Promise to stop doing it)
Recompense (Intentionally applying an antidote!)

Posted by zotar on June 2, 2010 - 3:10pm